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Hi - I also found my way to discussions - have you checked out https://lakecountycomputer.com/j-station/ there seems to be a load of info there - should make it easier for you to create a panel? |
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Let's hope someone here in the group has a J-Station Johnson and sets up an Editor panelz! Thanks thanks ........ |
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Yeah this is what I send you right? I seems to be mostly CC. |
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Windows!Thanks..... |
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ok so MidiOx is your friend. Install that, connect MIDI cables into your synth, turn on the monitors. Watch the traffic as you change the dials. Then use this to check and ensure your panel is reflecting the CC's (on midi channel 1 it should send B0 xx yy where xx is the control (in hex 01, 02, 03, 04 and 05 for the controllers in the Comp set) and yy will be a value in 0...127 (0..0x7F hex). I made a small panel (unzip it) and it should, if I have understood the document, make your device respond to the Compressor values - no promises. You should see I named the things and put them on CC1, 2, 3, 4, 5 respectively. To add more, copy the group with children. Gradually build it up - and of course look at other panels for ideas on graphics etc. I am a mathematician not an graphic artist :-( Anyhow I hope this does work and gives you a head start on exploring Ctrlr. |
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Would you be so kind to explain why you are not able to use Ctrlr? It comes down to what Shooking said. The J-Station uses a lot of midi CC which is very well documented in its manual. You could create a very basic panel without any coding for that matter. It's just a few sliders or combo boxes/ list boxes, fill in the CC and you are ready to go. The Ctrlr community has some very kind people that are not wary of guiding you through the process of creating a panel. There is an extensive forum, demo files in the Ctrlr folder on your pc, a manual from Goodweather, and loads of panels to download to give you a headstart. And whenever you run into some problems I guarantee you that some folks here are going to help you out. You see, and this is me being "that" guy or arse, don't expect someone to create a panel for you. The chances are very slim that someone has that device. Testing the panel is out of the question then. And creating a panel takes a serious amount of our free time which most of us already spend on our own panel(s). So I encourage you to do some reading, download some panels, take the plunge in Ctrlr and I'll assure you that it can be very satisfying to see your first slider control your device. |
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J-Edit works but the problem is that with each preset a new window opens! It's a 20 year old app! See video! 2021-01-07.1.mp4 |
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I wanted to find a solution to that problem! |
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Seems like some odd behavior but I don't know if that is the way it is supposed to work. Last thing that comes to mind: If that doesn't work, try what Shooking asked you to do. See if the panel he posted earlier works for you. If it works, you have some groundwork done to build a panel. If it doesn't, or you are reluctant to do so, then there's nothing you can do but wait until someone who has the same device thinks it's a neat idea to make a Ctrlr Panel. |
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thanks,thanks....... Tedjuh76 |
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thanks "Tedjuh76"" I hope to have luck and find someone who has J-Station and creates a Ctrlr panel! |
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(goodweather here - don't know why github shows my username and not my profile name) The Ctrlr experts have no problem to help and even take time to make test panels to solve tricky stuff but are not there to do basic stuff that beginners can do with very little effort. |
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Still not heard if basic cc 1 to 5 panel i posted earlier works. @Tedjuh1976 has made great point about "is it switched on". I would start with MidiOx @seve54 to check if the device functions. Oh well back to my own panels and RPi4. |
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thanks "tremante" I hope to have luck and find someone who has J-Station and creates a Ctrlr panel! |
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I was able to do this panel test! How do I import file sysex? |
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Yes the test panel worked |
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great. So we confirm you can get Ctrlr to work with your rig. When I look at the sysex it consists of multiple Sysex sentances. So your mission is to work out which parts of each sentence is supposed to be fixed and which variable - the spec should say. Lets take one sentence at random F0 00 00 10 7E 54 70 00 01 00 01 00 18 00 01 00 00 00 00 53 F7 It looks like F0 00 00 10 7E 54 is the "hi .. this is your Johnson talking!!" ... nothing to be scare off. Happens a lot to me. To send sysex you can, if the modification is related to the CC, use a pattern like F0 00 00 10 7E 54 LS 00 01 00 01 00 18 00 01 00 00 00 00 53 F7 I would concentrate on getting the modulators created on your panel first. Eventually you will likely add a "patch" selector. I guess you might also want to add a "save state". I spend WAY too much time refining stuff that is good enough and forget to give my basses some love ... that is a big mistake. |
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2021-01-12.14-55-07.00_00_03-00_00_23.1.mp4 |
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I think it's better to start to create a panel with just midi CC's because those are well documented in the manual. And when he gets the hang of it... then start with what you described Shooking. Because I can understand it looks like a lot of gibberish to him. Just my advice. Maybe later tonight I will write a short tutorial. |
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thanks Tedjuh! |
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Someone has written a Linux controller for it. https://github.com/fengalin/gstation-edit I recongize the style of the Python - looks like a few other guitar pedal codebases. I suspect they borrowed code of eachother but forgot to give credit to the original coder. Anyhow you might find some useful hints in here when you are ready to move to Sysex. |
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Short Tutorial/ Breve Tutorial: Prima, scarica il manuale Scorri a pagina 30. Vedrai un elenco di parametri. Il primo gruppo è per il "compressore". I parametri per il compressore sono: On/ Bypass, Treshold, Ratio, Gain, Frequency. Ogni parametro ha il suo Midi CC. On/ Bypass è Midi CC 1. Treshold è Midi CC 2. Questo è facile da capire, vero? Scarica questo pannello: Fare clic su "panel" nella barra dei menu e fare clic su "panel mode". Dovresti vedere tutte le opzioni nelle "panel options" a destra oa sinistra. Copia (right mouse button, copy) il pulsante di bypass e incollalo accanto all'etichetta "wah / pitch". Se fai clic sul pulsante, un quadrato giallo intorno significa che è selezionato. Assicurati che sia selezionato. Nelle opzioni "pannello / modulatore", cerca "Name". Cambia in "WahOnByPass". Cerca "Midi Control Number". Il numero di parametro per On / Bypass di "Wah / Pitch" è, vedere il manuale, 05. Modificare il "Midi Control Number" in: 5. Guarda i valori dei parametri. Se è 0-127, cambia "Component" "Minumum Value" su 0, "Maximum Value" su 127. Se ci sono molti valori di parametro, come "Amp Modeling" "Model Type" che ha come valori di parametro: J Crunch, J Solo, J Clean e altro ... quindi copia il modulatore Ratio. Modificare il "Name" del modulatore, modificare il "Midi Controller Number" e inserire i valori dei parametri nel "Slider Contents". This should help you on the way. Save a lot. Don't be afraid to see what certain options do. Change colors, change position, and sizes of modulators. Get familiar with Ctrlr. In bocca al lupo. |
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Good morning thanks for the help! I made this panel as a graphic similar to the original J-Edit see zip! There is still a lot to do this is just the beginning .... |
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Problem 1: The tremolo doesn't use pre-delay or regeneration, look at the options for the tremolo effect in the manual. The Chorus/ flanger, well, both use regeneration as an option in the manual. "But" I think they use "pre-delay" and "regeneration to distinguish the delay effects from each other. The manual says: A Flanger uses the same principle as a Chorus does with a modulating delay. The difference being that a Flanger uses a shorter delay time and adds regeneration (or repeats) to the modulating delay. Could you explain problem 2? What do you want to do? |
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Something like this? Change the flanger/ chorus/ tremolo and see the magic happen. Go to "Panel" in the Menu. Click "Lua Editor" to see how it works. |
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@Tedjuh1976 Thanks! Thanks thanks........!Having to replace some Knobs from UiImagineSlider with UiFixedImagineSlider the Effects change no longer works! |
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Make sure the name of the slider is the same as in the Lua method. |
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But that is a label right? Could you edit the panel, find the string ... replace it. It will probably then show what you want? |
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Look at the "uiFixedSliderContent" of the pre-delay parameter to get "ms" or "%" or "c". You can only do this with a uiFixedSlider or a uiFixedImageSlider. There is some Lua involved when you want to change the names of parameters. I gave you a working Lua code which "you" can try to adjust to make it work in "your" panel. If you want to learn Lua, there are very good tutorials on the internet and probably in Italian too. See what you can come up with. We will point you in the right direction but please don't expect us to write all the code for you. |
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Could you upload the panel? |
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@Tedjuh1976 |
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In the combobox of the reverb section you use a few "". Like (Rattle "n" Boing) and (2-spring 7"). The " character breaks the combobox. Same goes for the combobox in the cabinet section. You use a ' character like ('65 Tweed). Also breaks the combobox. Better use something like Rattle and Boing or 2-spring 7inch. Or 1965 Tweed. Oops, dnaldoog beat me to it. |
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Hi Seve, In your label 'modulator-3' that prints %N = %v, if you change it to %N = %s you will see the uiFixedSlider values instead of the MIDI values. Also try changing " to '' (two single quotes) |
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What is the problem exactly?
Is it that the combo box is showing more than one choice?
So select the item, examine its properties. Could it be the height it a
little large?
What if you halve it. Probably to small. So make it a bit bigger ... Until
you get it where you want?
Sorry if I misunderstood the issue - I prefer to see code.
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<https://github.com/dnaldoog> The Reverb window problem has been solved
but the Cabinet menu problem remains! See images! Thanks
[image: Immagine1]
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[image: Uploading Immagine2.jpg…]
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@shooking @Tedjuh1976 Ok solved Thanks! Another problem in the Effects panel some Konbs have 2 or 3 functions! Example the knob: Speed value from 1 to 100 |
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You are never too old to learn 😜. You need some lua scripting to change the values of the modulator. I'm at work right now. Tonight I will write a code for you to adjust the values of the modulator. So, be patient, maybe tonight, maybe tomorrow morning. |
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Sorry, misunderstood your question. Take a look at the panel properties, scroll down to "Component" and change the "uiSliderMin/ uiSliderMax or "minimum Value, Maximum Value". Set it to the minimal and maximal value of your parameter. |
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Typically I click on one. If it has ONLY one function then I ensure the
modulators name describes the function. RateKnob is ok. LFO1RateKnob is
better.
Then check out the range of values and set it accordingly ie min 1 max 20
However if this is done in the Lua script then u might have to do this in
code.
Like others say we don't have the unit to trial. When I eventually wake up
today I want to get on with reverse engineering Zoom B1on. It would be
easier to ask folks here to help me ... But unless someone has a B1ON or
G1ON it isn't fair and makes limited sense.
If I say: I have name my mod LFO1 and want the midi range to be 2 to 50 but
output names of {{insert favourite football team}} in age order I pretty
much guarantee someone will paste some outline Lua that I then have to
retro fit.
It looks like u are making great progress.
So learn how to set range of controls in the GUI. Then play with some new
panel (so you don't break existing) ... Can u also get head round some
Lua? And pretty soon u are rocking with this stuff.
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<https://github.com/Tedjuh1976> Ok solved Thanks! Another problem in the
Effects panel some Konbs have 2 or 3 functions! Example the knob: Speed
value from 1 to 100
Type value from 1 to 3
Pitch value from -24 to 24
How do you match each type of Knob with its value?
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@dnaldoog @shooking @Tedjuh1976 I am 67 years of age and I am learning and started using Ctrlr! It is difficult for me to use LUA! Thank you so much for your help! |
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Some say you are old as the woman you feel. Attitude is more important than
age. And you have that on your side. Awesome.
Like I said if u are using inbuilt Ctrlr modulators then the edit panel
sets values for anything more kinky u need Lua.
Anyhow with the progress u made.domt forget to give that bass some love and
use the panel ... It motivates to fix that last bit
Doing the same with my Zoom pedals.
Best of luck
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I am 67 years of age and I am learning and started using Ctrlr! Thank you
so much for your help!
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Hi Seve54, I'm answering here because I got a reply that you were looking for a way to change a slider based on another one but it seems this post disappeared. Let us know if this still needed. In practice, this is easy with Lua:
Best! |
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@dnaldoog copying and pasting the 2 buttons of "Seve Mirror Button" in my panel doesn't work! |
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Can you please post the panel here and I can do it for you; I'll update it and send it back to you, but you need to: File ⇒ Export ⇒ Export compressed binary and resources |
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@dnaldoogI would like to have a copy of the on / off buttons: Compress, Amp, Effects, Delay, Reverb, Noise Gate, Wha, on the right side of the panel! J-Station Panel.zip |
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Can you do this? - the .panel file doesn't contain images - I can't see anything: File ⇒ Export ⇒ Export compressed binary and resources |
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@dnaldoog @shooking @Tedjuh1976 |
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@dobo365 @shooking @Tedjuh1976 FormatFactory.Multiplex.2021-01.1.mp4 |
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I understand what you want and it is possible to do what you do in the video. "But" the combobox in the wah-section has a lot of options, which do change a lot of other parameters. And I guess that if you change the effects section from chorus to delay, or something else, there are even more parameters that change. I can write a code that does a few changes but you have to write a lot of code yourself to add all the changes like in the original software. I can't get the original software to run, I can't see all the changes that happen. And the manual isn't very clear about all the options. But if it would help you, I can write a short example that should cover most of the changes. Is that ok? |
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@shooking @Tedjuh1976 @dnaldoog I wait for your help example: thanks! |
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Run Ctrlr under debugger. Might throw some hints?
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While I was making a little panel to help out Seve with what Goodweather
suggested, I encountered a problem myself:
I can see a modulatorValue chance for the Button and Combobox but the
Sliders stopped updating the modulatorValue. Thus the code doesn't fire
when the modulatorValues change. And I can't exactly figure out why.
linkSlider.zip
<https://github.com/RomanKubiak/ctrlr/files/5882213/linkSlider.zip>
Ctrlr acting up? A code loop? Me cannot write code? What gives?
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If only I knew how to.. |
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Me too. Never succeeded to run the debugger in Ctrlr (5.3.201)... |
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After doing a search at the old forums I found a topic where Atom explained how to use the debugger. Can't find it right now but it said that you had to double-click the line number until it turned red or use a pause("stop") statement in the code to create a break point. I tried it but to no avail so far. |
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I mean compile debug version of Ctrlr.
Then
gdb Ctrlr
Ensure correct signals are handled
(Info signals)
Then run
Once Ctrlr comes up use it as normal
Watch for additional assertions from Roman.
If necessary use the Doxygen or tags to .are a guess where u are in the
code.
CTRL c the debugger.
Set break point (keeps selling break pint :-))
And step.thru the C++ to get an idea of what is happening
I will try to recreate something I did a while back that I was quite
pleased about
I added code via Lua that would ooen a file on start up and write out the
Lua stack as you exercised your methods.
When one got a crash it was easier to work out where you had been and where
you were
The number of missing L's i found was immense!!! Made it easier to get code
stable.
I did make a brief video on debugging aspects of Ctrlr on YT. But i could
make more if interest.
BUT I haven't noticed any reply on how to determine release tags in the
code.
I dont think the branch has a clean build policy.
I would love to checkin Raspberry Pi build.
Best regards
Steve
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Me too. Never succeeded to run the debugger in Ctrlr (5.3.201)...
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Do you know how to do a full midi dump of the J-Station and record it to a sysex file (and post it here) as sysex file (zipped)? For example you would download https://www.bome.com/products/sendsx or https://ctrlr.org/generic-sysex-dump-editor/ and (possibly) send these two messages to the unit. Record what comes back into a file. F0 00 00 10 00 54 01 00 01 00 01 00 00 45 F7 Try one or both and see what happens. |
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@dnaldoog I can't download "Generic syxses dump editor" app and send me to this link: https://sourceforge.net/projects/ctrlr-utilities/ |
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Here it is! |
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@seve54 Here is an updated version with many typo fixes. |
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Which window? Do you mean the drop-down menu for the J-Edit program? About the only thing that can be done there is Open and Save As probably using uiButton. |
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@dnaldoog if possible: Load Bank, Store Preset, Save etc. like the curtained munù |
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@dnaldoog How to delete this part: see image! |
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You would have to load a sysex patch from file into the J-Edit and find out with value affects which parameter. For example this is a patch called santana - you would load it into the J-edit and then change one parameter and then save and do a file compare on the original and the changed file to see which byte changed its value. I use Meld to compare two or more files. Then gradually map out which byte goes where and it needs to be exact. You need to count each byte position and record that against the modulator name. For example your modulator-2 is compressor ratio You would change the value. Remember what the value is. Convert to Hex and look for that value in the changed file i.e a value of 10 on the uiSlider should correspond to 0A in the file and making sure there are no other byte values with the same value = massive confusion!. Then record modulator-2 = 34 (byte 34 in the sysex message. That is why it is better to give each modulator a more meaningful name like compressorRatio for example. You're getting in deep now! HaHa! It is a big job if you don't have the midi implementation on hand, but not impossible. Once this is done I can easily show you how to save and load files. There are two message in each patch file. Not sure what each message does. 20santana.syxF0 00 00 10 7E 54 70 00 01 00 01 00 00 00 01 00 00 00 00 4B F7 |
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Go to layer editor and click on all the eyes except as shown. The you can resize it, then re click on all the eyes and close!
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@seve54 Here are all the graphics for the J-Edit program! |
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@seve54 You would have to widen the box or reduce the font size. Also that should read threshold not treshold !!! |
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Thanks for this. Again without knowing the MIDI sysex implementation decoding what each byte means is hours and hours of work. Even if one knows the MIDI implementation it's a pretty big job. |
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@dnaldoog regarding the "display" problem, I tried to enlarge the window and reduce the font size but nothing changed! I don't think that's the problem there because it also does it with the "Bass" knob (AMP) which are only 4 letters! |
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In your componentVisibleName field you have: Bass Remove the newline/paragraph and it will print to one line! Bass¶ :) |
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Regarding the Sysex, I had a couple of hours with nothing to do. Found two files on thee internetz that seemed to be helpful. I took one preset from the zip file that Seve provided. I think I'm getting close. It seems to me that the data is variable because of the preset name at the end. That is what the lsb/ msb count is for, it should total the amount of data being sent. If someone understands the XOR ("exclusive or") Checksum, that would be of great help. |
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@seve54 The alpha channel masking is pretty poor on all of these! LoL and many images are too big! I only see 12 images out of the needed 18 - Am I supposed to double up some of the selections with the same image? |
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@dnaldoog The images sent are 18 png! Tell me the dimensions that I fix them! |
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You decide @seve54 but keep them all the same if possible. |
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Okay - didn't see this yet - will check and get back to you - maybe I can bulk resize them if necessary. |
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Here is the checksum function in lua. -- pass a MemoryBlock to function
calculateXorChecksum = function(m)
local checksum = 0
for i = 1, m:getSize() do
-- F0 is passed as first byte, otherwise make i=0
checksum = bit.bxor(checksum, m:getByte(i))
end
return checksum
end
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@seve54 Can you check the cabinet images in this panel and confirm it is all working? |
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@dnaldoog I corrected some cabinet images: use this version 9 seve to continue! Thank you so much! |
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I use v9.0 now and it has all the pictures. Thank you. I don't see the problem with the footer-bar. Works correct over here. However, I noticed that the cabinet picture disappeared when you set one of the on/ bypass buttons to bypass. Takes some rewriting of the code. And rewriting someone else's code takes time. So please be patient. Big thanks to Dnaldoog for writing a big deal of code. Seriously... Big thumbs up. |
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@DnaldeT about the bar below when you activate and deactivate On / Bypass "Effects" you don't see the change!Thanks for support! |
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Ok, understood. Will look into that. |
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The change_routing_legend script wasn't attached to the luaModulatorValueChange. Effects "on/ bypass" button is now reflecting in the legend bar. One problem down. One more to go. |
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Altered Dnaldoog's code slightly. Seems to be working ok-ish now. Test it and report back, please. |
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@DnaldeT On / Bypass OK! Cabinet change problem no longer changes cabinet image! |
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Sorry, wrong file: To not have to upload another file: |
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@DnaldeT I'm sorry but I can't find it! |
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In the Menu Bar: press Panel: press Panel Mode and search in the properties panel to the right. |
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@DnaldeT OK solved! But the problem remains that in the "Cabinet" section, changing the cabinet type does not change the picture! |
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Scuzi, change it to "chRoutingLegendCabinet" |
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@DnaldeT it is already like this in the cabinet menu section! |
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@DnaldeT in the "Cabinet" section by selecting one from the menu the image does not change! In version 9 it worked! |
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J-Station_10_2_altered_dnaldoog version_2021-02-03_18-15.zip Images should work now. |
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@DnaldeT Perfect it works! Great DnaldeT thank you thank you.....! |
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Alright then. Anything else? Does the panel work with the j-station like you want it to? |
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@DnaldeT point 1 and 2: if I select a preset on the machine the editor does not update with the selected preset! point 5) Have you seen the attached syx file? |
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Point 1 and 2: need to look into that. I am at work, so no time for it right now. Point 5: Yes, I've seen the syx file. But you have to understand that it is very, and I mean, very hard to add such a feature without us having the device. It takes hours/ days of testing the code which is difficult enough if we had the device ourselves. So nearly impossible without it. It is what we told in the beginning of this discussion that you would end up with a panel that supported basic midi CC. Which seems to work, most of it. If you ask me, we provided you a lot of code, invested numerous hours to make the basic functionality work. To do what you are asking now is simply "too difficult". I hope you understand. |
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@DnaldeT @dnaldoog if you update use this version: I improved the Cabinet images and more! Thanks |
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Good morning! Is there anyone left who can have functionality improvements beyond v10.5? Thanks for support! |
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nothing new? |
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@seve54 Hi seve, What more needs doing with the panel? |
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@dnaldoog If possible, arrange Wha / Expressioin panel and Enter menus: Load preset, Load Bank, Save etc.see video above!! Thanks! |
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I see, so nothing much has changed - it's basically all stuff that would need someone to have the panel in front of them otherwise it's nigh impossible as Tedjuh said. You will have to dip your toes in lua I am afraid. :( I mean if I see one for sale, I might just buy it, but I have never seen one where I live. |
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Who knew Ctrlr could lead to gear lust :-).
I started collecting various Zoom pedals now - the hidden midi intrigues me.
…On Sat, 27 Feb 2021, 11:30 John Goodland, ***@***.***> wrote:
I see, so nothing much has changed - it's basically all stuff that would
need someone to have the panel in front of them otherwise it's nigh
impossible as Tedjuh said. You will have to dip your toes in *lua* I am
afraid. :(
I mean if I see one for sale, I might just buy it, but I have never seen
one where I live.
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@shooking I've got a Zoom Delay 508 pedal - it's supposed to be very nice, but every time I dig it out I can't remember how to use it - too complicated and there is no MIDI |
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[[trying not to mix threads - but here's my R&D based on reversing Zoom. If
you have a USB it _might_ have Midi. My original B1 doesnt - but no USB :-)
All the others do - to varying degrees]]
https://github.com/shooking/ZoomPedalFun
I put a basic panel there - for the moment I am concentrating on external
control then will probably be back with some questions on alternative ways
to design the UI.
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@shooking <https://github.com/shooking> I've got a Zoom Delay 508 pedal -
it's supposed to be very nice, but every time I dig it out I can't remember
how to use it - too complicated and there is no MIDI
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I follow I'm interested! |
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Hello there is some expert who could create an editor panel for "J-Station Johnson" for Windows now no longer in production because the official editor is an old concept! Thanks!
J-Station En.pdf
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