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Employees can't verify "prospective Company product[s] or service[s]" #38

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vitorio opened this issue Mar 22, 2017 · 5 comments
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vitorio commented Mar 22, 2017

From my own negotiated IP agreement with my current employer, they included wording similar to ¶1(i):

The IP (i) related to an existing or prospective Company product or service at the time you developed, invented, or created it,

Except in the smallest of companies, it's probably impossible for an individual employee to know what might be a "prospective" Company product or service at any given time. In my agreement, this was changed to something like:

The IP (i) related to an existing or demonstrably prospective Company product or service of which you had knowledge at the time you developed, invented, or created it,

A related clause also required me to have been directly involved with the existing or demonstrably prospective product or service in the two years prior.

@vitorio vitorio changed the title Employees can't verify "existing or prospective Company product[s] or service[s]" Employees can't verify "prospective Company product[s] or service[s]" Mar 22, 2017
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@vitorio while it may take awhile to respond/resolve in the context of BEIPA (to be documented, see #41) I wanted to thank you for filing this and relating your direct experience. This is really valuable and I want to encourage others to share how they've arrived at more 'balanced' terms (from employee or company 'sides', or preferably with understanding of both).

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This change occurred to me as well, on a general read. A "knowledge qualifier" is the obvious lawyer solution. Companies might also want to include publicly announced products---products the employee very well could or even should know about, but may not for whatever reason.

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@vitorio was a "standard" ip assignment document initially presented to you? and did you propose use of this agreement?

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vitorio commented Oct 9, 2017

@gregorynicholas They provided me their own; I don't know the provenance of it. This would have been nearly five years ago and the BEIPA didn't exist then. I negotiated the changes with them based on advice from my own legal counsel.

mlinksva pushed a commit that referenced this issue Oct 13, 2020
- added a should have known standard as further movement on balance of interests discussed in #38 and in the initial PR comment above
- Exhibit A moved to standalone documentation to make the agreement more adaptable
- removed grant to use name as included in material Company can use; deemed unnecessary
- added duty to not use or disclose to Company anything that you're required not to (to avoid muddying Company IP; note this is _not_ a duty to keep Company materials confidential, removed in earlier commits because almost always covered by other agreements)
- added survivorship clause (if any terms found invalid, others remain in effect)
- further README edits to better reflect v2
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We did end up adding a knowledge qualifier in c0a5629 (part of forthcoming v2) -- though not to the language directly related to that mentioned in the issue comment -- importantly, for related to the business IP created outside of the scope of employment, the company gets a non-exclusive license rather than ownership

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