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Clarify team application process and parameters on application page #3677
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Some thoughts on text.
^This is important. People are confused about why: gratipay/project-review#11 (comment)
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Copying from Gratipay 2.0 to have here:
Clearly, mission and brand values have been treated as guidelines in the past, but the present application process treats them as rules to be applied to applicant teams. |
The mission and brand values pages, if part of the application process, need to be on the main Gratipay website, not just inside.gratipay.com. http://inside.gratipay.com/big-picture/mission |
A how-to page about reviewing team applications should be created at http://inside.gratipay.com/. |
Aha! Here is a draft of possible criteria from May 9: #3390 (comment) |
And here is how they are stated in the TOS:
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We're in the process of revising the team application, so the questions listed above may change. |
Folding in discussion from #3679 ...
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This makes the same fundamental mistake that's behind the "We have no revenue model" sort of answers. A revenue model is not how you would spend money, it's how you want to make money. It's a plan for income, not for expenses.
We absolutely want people who understand what a revenue model is at the helm of the teams on Gratipay, because we want the teams on Gratipay to be viable, and they can't be without "a clear plan of how to generate revenues." |
Now, one problem with the revenue model question as it stands is that Gratipay only really supports one model: voluntary subscriptions (hence the first class of answers, "We ask people for money"). What if we changed this to something like:
Or:
Or even:
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Understood on the explanation of revenue model. The second or third wording make sense. The first is either a gimme or a gotcha, which makes it meaningless as team approval criteria (and especially meaningless on a team description profile). |
"Gratipay teams must publicly state revenue sources" is one of those TOS-y statements that could be easily translated to the team application/team profile. |
Substitute "as well as" for "rather than" and you've nailed it. |
True.
What if we combine them?
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P.S. I seem to have violated this, sorry. :-( Are we okay to continue here? We'll have a PR separate from this to track the implementation details. |
The scope of the ticket has changed anyway, so it's fine with me.
I like that one.
I don't think Gratipay needs to be all things to all people, but the more we can help people grok business, the better. So the open-cum-business explanation has to be clear at the outset (front of the website) rather than brought up after an application is submitted, because it's a big shift We believe teams can use openness to grow revenue, and we want teams to believe it too. That's why we ask this question. Now. None of these questions addresses those nebulous items of "matching the mission and brand values/guidelines of Gratipay", except maybe the product or service question.
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Okay, sorry. |
One issue: it brings back that word, "subscriptions," that we moved away from in gratipay/inside.gratipay.com#117. |
Agreed. See also: #1273. |
We're working with concepts that don't have good names yet. Subscription implies a set reciprocity you receive. "Gratipay implements a voluntary recurring revenue model. How does that fit into your business plan?" ? voluntary = "good until canceled" (GIC implies subscription, though) Or in simple words: |
Indeed.
Well, but you do receive a more or less set reciprocity. It's just that you receive it (at least conceptually) before you pay instead of after.
I kind of like the idea of linking out to Wikipedia to explain these concepts. Would we still link "recurring" to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subscription_business_model? |
Both of those payroll links go to this ticket, is that intended? I imagine the first will go to the rewritten Payroll page and the second to the ticket. That looks good to me. It also makes it very transparent to potential contributors, which is nice. |
Perfect. |
Yeah, sorry. Placeholder links. |
Okay! I think we're about ready for a PR here. :-) |
In #3677 we decided not to use these questions anymore.
Re: business models for open companies: https://twitter.com/balupton/status/633962999363932160 |
In #3677 we decided not to use these questions anymore.
In #3677 we decided not to use these questions anymore.
Have we actually had people get confused about that, @mattbk? Links? |
No. |
Okay, I think with the new About pages maybe things are clearer there. |
I'm going back over this ticket to see what other changes need to be made on #3694. |
We can certainly handle our present volume, and a fair bit more. Certainly up to 70/wk. For a while I was reviewing almost 100 users per week under Gratipay 1.0. When the time comes, we'll find a way to optimize. For example, we could add a fast track, where if you have a dozen or a score of current Team owners vouch for you (and no blockers), then you are approved without explicit "central" approval. |
... and that was private. Team review is public, so I won't have to be the bottleneck. |
New team application is live. Reopening here until we can write the Review howto and link it: gratipay/inside.gratipay.com#311. Besides that, any other todos to close this out, @mattbk? |
We can come back as needed. Let's see how this works. |
I apparently failed to actually reopen this. Rectified! :-) |
Reticketed from gratipay/project-review#17 (comment), which I think is a great, civil discussion about how the team application process is perceived and fuzzy and open to misunderstanding.
In particular,
I ask that discussion of the application policies be kept in a separate ticket at inside.gratipay.com and this ticket be retained for implementation or rejection of this change. Hopefully this will avoid confusing the two subjects.
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