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Over-broad Criteria for Team Review #495
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(For context, see gratipay/project-review#108) |
Let's back up. Gratipay is a commons. The question before us on this ticket, as I see it, is one of governance: how are we going to govern Gratipay as a commons? Under 1.0, we had no answer to this question. With 2.0 we've put forward an initial answer in our Team review document, and I agree that we can improve what we have. The best practices for governing a commons are in Elinor Ostrom's Governing the Commons. I've ordered the book (#409); here's the tl;dr:
I think Ostrom's Principles provide a solid framework for improving our governance of Gratipay as a commons. |
More specifically, Gratipay is a digital commons:
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But Gratipay is more than that: Gratipay is a company. |
Let's start with ... Principle 1: Clearly defined boundaries.
It seems to me that the contents of our common pool resource are the assets of Gratipay the company, including:
What are others seeing as the boundaries of Gratipay as a common pool resource? |
How do Wikimedia and Mozilla define their commons? |
@whit537 This ticket is specifically about the 2nd criterion of the Team Review being over-broad and unnecessary. I posed a specific alternative. If you'd like to Why won't my actual comments 1 & 2 be directly addressed by any I'm getting the strong impression that Gratipay's users / customers / community are invited to participate in This feels like a war of attrition, in which I am expected to give up participating when I lack the energy to continue being ignored. I've already sank a sufficient amount of time to do my due diligence on this issue following Gratipay's own procedures. If ya'll would prefer to railroad over users like me, you of course are welcome to do so, but it's not a very nice feeling, and if that matters to customers it should matter to the business, shouldn't it? Due to team-review/issues/108, I created this ticket to propose to change the Team Review policy's Criterion 2 from: Perhaps there is an even better option, but in lieu of one (pending further research for instance), I don't see why not to change the policy now. Or at least, to suspend Team reviews that concern Criterion 2 until a better option is determined. |
@wrought, not to split hairs too finely, but to make these changes, the TOS need to change, since the "clashes with brand" stuff is in the TOS themselves (4.iii). You can read my opinion on the team application ticket, it hasn't changed, but for the sake of argument and in hopes that @whit537 will find some common ground: Are there any particular repos or subprojects that are less clash-y with Gratipay? @whit537, you can see that I'm struggling with words here, which might imply in itself that the "brand clash" term is a little too mushy. More thoughts but I don't have time right now. |
Nice! 💃
I was looking to broaden the context because I think that focusing narrowly will make it harder for us to find common ground. We can try, though ...
Perhaps. I'm happy to find ways to clarify it. Basically: no hot-headed activism or trolling.
I think it's necessary because our users share in and contribute to our brand more than usual, because we're an open company.
I think allowing off-brand users to share in and contribute to our brand under 1.0 was harmful to the Gratipay community.
We tried this with 8chan and it was a train wreck. It was way more painful—for both parties—for us to remove them after they'd been established for months than if we had denied them entry in the first place. It meant loss of income for them, and reputational damage and distraction for us. Same with Shanley. She was never a good fit for Gittipay, but we had little coherent community or brand management at the time, so we let her essentially grab the reins, and it took a unilateral spaz out on my part to grab them back. Uuuuuugggglllyyyyy!!!!!!!! Compared to the pain of those two experiences, I love our new review process. It's much more orderly. We're no longer making these decisions idiosyncratically behind closed doors, and we come out knowing and feeling good about all of our customers. (To be honest, Riseup is kind of in this boat, too, since they were a Gittipay user before applying for a 2.0 Team. Compare Techraptor (gratipay/project-review#17), which brought some kerfuffle, but probably less hard feeling than with Riseup, and no-where close what we went through with Shanley or 8chan.)
It doesn't work to discuss publicly in these scenarios for two reasons:
As to why we want to filter out teams based on brand fit in the first place ... well, that's a really big wave that started with gratipay/gratipay.com#1425, swelled through #319, crested with #118, and then broke in the private https://github.com/gratipay/violations/issues/1 where we decided to kick out 8chan. Basically it comes down to the fact that Gratipay, for better or for worse, has this weird brand of willful naïvete, unabashed optimism, and sweet idealism, and we have to inhabit that together with our users, because, as an open organization, we have a more porous boundary between our users and our company. We're not a common carrier or a platform of libertarian neutrality. We are a commons, a community of users and contributors with a collective identity, and for better or for worse we have to spend the energy to maintain that. This will cause occasional discomfort. It may not work in the long run—maybe Liberapay is right, and principled neutrality is the better option. At this point, what I see is that we should let Liberapay run with that, and over here we should direct our energy into improving how we understand, communicate, and select for our own brand. |
Tying in another thread from gratipay/project-review#108 ...
... with this thread:
What do you see as the legacy of the previous controversy (and which controversy? we've had several :) and how does turning away riseup.net continue it? |
Simply put, the second criterion aka "brand values" is over-broad, unnecessary, and harmful to the gratipay community.
To me, the enforcement of this criterion has already foreshadowed a repeat of the actions and attitudes that lead to the
Gratipay 1.0 "controversy"
. Changing this policy is an opportunity to learn, grow, and change for the better. This is a chance to invest in gratipay's future, it's up to you.http://inside.gratipay.com/howto/review-teams
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