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rename Gittip to ... Gratipay! #73

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chadwhitacre opened this issue Jul 1, 2014 · 169 comments
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rename Gittip to ... Gratipay! #73

chadwhitacre opened this issue Jul 1, 2014 · 169 comments
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@chadwhitacre
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It's time. See gratipay/gratipay.com#138 for our first go-round on renaming, nearly two years ago.

Task List

Internal:

  • Freenode
  • BotBot
  • Slack Not going to worry about this one, since it's moribund.
  • building.gittip.com
  • GitHub
  • Medium
  • roobot
  • gittip-access-dashboard

Customer Support:

  • Google Apps
  • Freshdesk

Marketing:

  • Twitter
  • Facebook
  • Google+
  • Tumblr
  • open graph entries (Facebook, Twitter)

Hosting & Product:

  • Heroku
  • Digital Ocean
  • MaxCDN
  • Typography.com
  • UptimeRobot
  • Pagerduty
  • Sentry
  • SSL certificate
  • Twitter OAuth app
  • GitHub OAuth app
  • Bitbucket OAuth app
  • Bountysource OAuth app
  • OpenStreetMap OAuth app
  • Venmo OAuth app
  • www.gittip.com
  • gttp.co
  • Gittip-Everywhere

Legal:

  • LLC

Financial:

  • Gratipay
  • Balanced
  • PayPal
  • Coinbase
  • Ally
  • New Alliance

Afterwards:

  • Update Vagrant box
  • Update username/email with all vendors
  • Update LLC name in legalese
  • Check links in all places that we have control over.

Rationale

Gittip has been a serviceable name for the past two years, but it's not ideal. For most people, Gittip doesn't have any relevant natural associations; it doesn't suggest anything about our mission. It's hard to spell, hard to pronounce, and hard to remember. For people who know what git and GitHub are the situation is worse, because Gittip puts us in a box we don't want to be in. We're building a mass-market product, not something for a tech niche. And for pete's sake, my own kids confuse Gittip with GitHub.

Benefits of Gratipay:

  • Gratitude + pay strongly suggests themes directly related to our mission.
  • The other association (I think it's maybe going to be stronger for Europeans?) is gratis (as in "free") + pay. We can live with that, right?
  • It's pretty unambiguous to spell and pronounce.
  • It's not actually that different from Gittip (the Levenshtein distance is 4 :-) ).
  • It actually has the word tip tucked in there (assuming we still want to use that word).
  • We can keep the heart coin logo.
  • I was able to secure gratipay in the com, net, org, and co TLDs, as well as on Twitter, Facebook, Google+, GitHub, and Freenode. 🙀

Drawbacks of Gratipay:

  • Yes, eight letters + three syllables is the upper limit for a strong name. At least the syllables are short. Amazon and Microsoft are both doing okay. Patreon, too. :-)
  • If the primary association is gratis + pay that's not totally ideal, but it still kinda fits our mission, and at least gratitude + pay is present as a secondary association.

If you have a really compelling reason to veto Gratipay, please share it ("In {Chinese,Arabic,Russian} that word is a heinous insult!"). Otherwise, let it sink in. We've been building Gittip for two years. Now let's build Gratipay! :D

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@clone1018
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The name makes me want to 💃 when I say it.

@chadwhitacre
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IRC

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+2 from @ericmeltzer @colindean over on gratipay/gratipay.com#2533.

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"totally neutral" in Chinese (IRC)

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I'm not crazy about it, but I have nothing against the name.

I disagree that it's primary association - gratis - is not ideal. I think it just needs to be approached from the opposite side of the transaction. From Wiki:

Gratis [...] is the quality of an action where the action is willingly provided without any requirement by the provider for compensation or monetary remuneration.

That seems like exactly what we're all about to me - the act of practicing a craft and freely giving the result to others out of generosity and compassion, without requiring that the recipient of that work enter into any sort of obligation to you, monetary or otherwise.

Flip it around - we're here to help pay people who provide benefit to the world around them, gratis.

I also believe that the association that people who are involved in F/OSS have with the words "free", "libre", and "gratis" are not necessarily shared with society at large. I think Gratipay creates strong enough associations to remember later and be distinctive, while aligning well enough with our mission to be built into a strong brand.

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I am sitting in a mongers meeting this moment, can't think/write much right now. But the off-the-hip reaction is -42. Will think more on the drive back home and chime in if it's not too late.

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tshepang commented Jul 1, 2014

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Sounds horrible, perhaps even worse than both versions of saying gittip. Feels forced. If only it were April 1.

There were many superior suggestions proposed in gratipay/gratipay.com#138.

@chadwhitacre
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@tshepang "Feels forced" is not a sufficient veto, sorry. :-)

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How is this pronounced? Is it like "rot" or "rat"?

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@lyndsysimon Fair question. How would you pronounce it?

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tshepang commented Jul 1, 2014

@whit537 why not pick from the winners in gratipay/gratipay.com#138.

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tshepang commented Jul 1, 2014

gray tea pay?

@chadwhitacre
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@tshepang Per gratipay/gratipay.com#138 (comment), the winner over there was Gittip.

We're moving forward with Gratipay unless someone presents a compelling veto. The only thing that would count as a "compelling veto" would be an embarrassing double entendre or cross-cultural association.

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It's pronounced like "gratitude."

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tshepang commented Jul 1, 2014

Why are you assertive this time around @whit537? Tired of bikesheds?

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Grætɪpeɪ is how I'd say it

http://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/Appendix:English_pronunciation

On July 1, 2014 4:09:55 PM EDT, Tshepang Lekhonkhobe [email protected] wrote:

gray tee pay?


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@tshepang Yes, I'm assertive this time around because I'm not up for another bikeshed. :-)

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Here's the sort of thing I have in mind as a compelling veto (from Stripe's naming story):

So back to the drawing board it was. The next name we came up with was “forge” — big, strong, building something. I ran the name by one of my friends from school, whose reply was along the lines of “um... you're kidding right”? I wasn't kidding, so I asked him what he was talking about. He pointed out that forge has an alternate meaning when it comes to currency, documents, and the like.

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I hadn't read Stripe's naming story, that's cool :)

Funny thing - there is a "Forge" now... but IIRC they use Balanced for their backend.

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Hah, forge is showing me an SSL error... to get back on track, I like
gratipay and find it pretty easy to pronounce "gratitude+pay"

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:-)

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If a "compelling veto" doesn't surface by tomorrow, I'm going to start making a task list.

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tshepang commented Jul 1, 2014

@whit537 you can call a vote, which sounds better than imposing... "you have 24 hours to weigh in". What's the rush BTW? We've had this name for 2 years, and waiting for a few days (or weeks) should not be too much more, right?

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tshepang commented Jul 1, 2014

Regarding the great renaming Issue, fundhub.org looks like the winner... 65%?

@ericmeltzer
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I was also curious about that, but apparently fundhub domains aren't
available, aren't even owned by the same owner, and also there's someone
who registered the twitter name in 2009 (which could present some tm issues
for us if we used it..)

On Tue, Jul 1, 2014 at 1:33 PM, Tshepang Lekhonkhobe <
[email protected]> wrote:

Regarding the great renaming Issue
gratipay/gratipay.com#138, fundhub.org looks
like the winner... 65%?


Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub
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@lyndsysimon
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I agree on the "what the rush?" question - but I also agree that we need to make a decision.

Chad - what would you think about having a slightly longer open comment period, followed by defined decision-making process? Leaving the question open until this Friday sounds reasonable to me.

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tshepang commented Jul 1, 2014

tip.me is available for $10; sounds perfect to me

@chadwhitacre
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I scanned the name change document and filed the name change request with Facebook.

@chadwhitacre
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Facebook name change approved!

https://www.facebook.com/Gratipay

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rummik commented Sep 30, 2014

I've updated https://www.openhub.net/p/gratipay and https://www.openhub.net/p/gratipay-widgets -- if I need to do anything to make other people managers, let me know. (Was required to change the name as far as I could tell)

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Name changed with PayPal!

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Username changed at Ally!

@chadwhitacre
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All that's left here is Bountysource and then updating username and email with all other vendors.

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Bountysource updated! IRC one two

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  • DNSimple
  • Freshdesk
  • DigitalOcean
  • GitHub
  • Librato
  • Adobe
  • Gravatar
  • Sentry
  • IWantMyName, including WHOIS information
  • MaxCDN
  • Heroku
  • PagerDuty
  • UptimeRobot
  • Typography.com
  • Dropbox
  • Venmo
  • Stripe
  • Mandrill
  • LastPass
  • Coinbase
  • Balanced
  • Twitter
  • Tinyletter (not actually using this anymore; leaving it alone)
  • Wufoo
  • Transifex (couldn't rename, so made a new account and closed the old one)
  • LendingClub (closed the account)
  • Google Analytics

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wkonkel commented Oct 9, 2014

Sorry for the delay!

@chadwhitacre
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Looks like Balanced is sorted out. Had to re-add our bank account so I'm waiting for verification to finish on that and then we can check it off the list!

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Balanced: verified!

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Ohwowohwowohwowohwowohwowohwow.

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Yinz ready? :-)

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IRC

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🎉 🎈 💃 👯 😻 :feelsgood: 🐣 🔨 🍻 🚀 ✨

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Congratulations, everyone! We are now fully renamed to Gratipay! 💃

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epic

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