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I'm looking at setting up a sandbox for easier real-time review. |
I've got a new app created and I'm trying to get Travis to build and deploy to it. Currently:
How do we get back to building twice? |
Built twice ... did one deploy!? |
Getting weird behavior:
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Seeing |
Uuuuh ... segfault!? |
Yeesh. Lucked out on that one! Upgrading cc: @dmk246 ;-) |
Drop local implementation in favor of Aspen's.
Alright, preview is deployed: https://gratipay-operating-agreement.herokuapp.com/big-picture/operating-agreement |
Ping @clone1018 @rohitpaulk @mattbk et al. Rough draft is ready for initial review. Gonna let it sit a couple days and then revise. The one thing I still want to fold in from @clone1018's draft is the part about profit distribution in the case of dissolution. |
Love it so far |
Will we have people on the Gratipay team who aren't members of the co-operative?
Does 'guaranteed payments' refer to the twyw payments? Is a capital account the one through which a member can draw gratipay-related expenses (also, is that the account to which the debit-card mentioned in the second paragraph will be linked)? |
That... sounds like it'd be tricky. Can't we do equal splits, and the cases that require uneven splits can be considered as two different expenses? I might be missing cases where this would be required though. |
What's the difference between "profits" and "earnings"?
That doesn't seem implied by
I assume this will be recorded in the onboarding ticket as a matter of course.
Yes (although if more than TWYW is added for other projects, will it be an option for the Gratipy project as well, or are we stuck on TWYW?):
Sounds like https://github.com/basecamp/handbook. 😉 The rest sounds pretty good, as far as it goes. I assume more rules may be needed as time goes on. Simple majority to change the operating agreement? Is an operating agreement the same as bylaws? |
Yeah, basically. LLCs have operating agreements whereas C corps have bylaws. |
Yes, I was thinking the Gratipay team on Gratipay would encompass owners and contractors, as well as volunteers post-gratipay/gratipay.com#4299. |
Yeah, basically.
No, the capital account is where profit accrues. Gratipay-related expenses come out of our checking account at PNC bank, via the debit cards mentioned.
They're basically the same thing. The phrase "retained earnings" is a term of art in accounting, but yeah it basically means "retained profits" or "profits that you didn't distribute to the owners but kept in the company." One big wrinkle with LLCs as a structure is that even when profits/earnings are retained, they still count as income for individual members. So if there are four of us and Gratipay earns $10,000 in profit in a year, then each of us will have to report $2,500 extra income on our personal tax return to the IRS, even though the $2,500 is still "locked up" in the cooperative (that money isn't actually available to us personally). The reason we want to keep some money "locked up" in the cooperative is simply for cash flow. Apart from needing cash for daily operations, the cooperative ought to have cash on hand to handle emergencies and respond quickly to opportunities. I am anticipating that the amount we end up keeping on hand will be a subject of negotiation in our weekly takes, since weekly takes are the mechanism whereby each of us has access to the cooperative's money to pay ourselves (vs. access to pay vendors via the debit cards linked to our operating account at PNC). Our weekly takes are "guaranteed payments," which means that even though they are technically distributions of profit (they are a "draw" against the profit that we'd otherwise supposedly receive at the end of the year when we settle up), they are distributed a) independently of Gratipay's income (cf. |
I hope we're not stuck with anything. 😛 That'd probably mean voting on an operating agreement change, though ...
Yeah, maybe. Noted in ticket todo as "review vote thresholds." |
I'm looking for some kind of co-budgeting here. I'm thinking about our recurring expenses as well as one-time things. I want us each to have the flexibility to sign up for new services, buy new domain names, go to conferences, etc. But I also want us to be able to spread the burden, so that, e.g., @clone1018 doesn't end up with all of our Heroku cost against his allowance, even though it might be his card that ends up getting used for it. I want a way for someone to take initiative and purchase something, and for the rest of us to come along and say "Yeah, I agree with that decision" by sharing in the authorization of the expense. |
- fold Details in other sections - revise vote thresholds - rewrite Money section for profit/loss based on twyw
Alright @clone1018 @rohitpaulk @mattbk et al., I've made a second draft of the operating agreement in 3ad3fa0, and I've spun up the staging dyno again so you can read it more easilier: https://gratipay-operating-agreement.herokuapp.com/big-picture/operating-agreement The biggest change is in the Money section, which I overhauled to better specify how we allocate profits and losses. The tricky thing about LLCs is that profit/loss counts as income to each of us even if we keep it inside of Gratipay. If Gratipay has $20,000 in profit and we split that five ways, we'd each have to pay tax on an extra $4,000 of income even though we don't personally benefit from it. I think the fairest way to deal with that is to allocate profit/loss on the total twyw distribution amount. It puts downward pressure on the people who are taking the most, which I think is right.
I relaxed the language around this to say it's equal by default. S'okay? I also fine-tuned the details of voting. Let me know what you think! |
Per slack we are aiming to work on this and hopefully land it tomorrow. |
That makes sense to me. |
I've read through the new update and it all seems great to me. |
With +1s from @rohitpaulk and @clone1018 I am going to go ahead and self-merge this. I am the sole owner of Gratipay right now, so it is my prerogative to adopt an operating agreement. Once adopted, I will be the sole member of the co-op, and I can propose to invite new members! :-) |
We adopted the calendar year in gratipay/inside.gratipay.com#1074. Closes #47.
Closes #72.
Preview
https://gratipay-operating-agreement.herokuapp.com/big-picture/operating-agreement
Todo
figure out digital signatures… punting, keeping it general in here for nowhave Janelle look it over?… out of time, maybe laterDeploy
replaceWhat was this for? Site is working, so ...CANONICAL_URL
withASPEN_BASE_URL