Revisited German translation #3644

tkurbad · 2016-04-29T09:23:44Z

After #3627, I still found several shortcomings in the German translation.

This PR is a proposal of what could be changed to have a more consistent translation.

Best,
Torsten

Blue-Marlin · 2016-04-29T11:05:21Z

Marlin/language_de.h

 #define MSG_EXTRUDE                         "Extrudieren"
 #define MSG_RETRACT                         "Retract"
 #define MSG_MOVE_AXIS                       "Bewegen"
-#define MSG_LEVEL_BED                       "Bett Korrektur"
+#define MSG_LEVEL_BED                       "Bett ausrichten"
 #define MSG_MOVE_X                          "X"


Das Bett wird nicht ausgerichtet. Es wird lediglich eine Korrektur für ein falsch ausgerichtetes Bett vermessen und eingerichtet.

"Bett vermessen" dann vielleicht? Korrektur trifft es ja auch nicht ganz...

Sehr schön.

tkurbad · 2016-04-29T13:01:02Z

Hab mal die bisher besprochenen Änderungen nachgezogen.

tkurbad · 2016-04-29T13:23:41Z

@Blue-Marlin Schau mal drüber, wie Du den jetzigen Stand findest. Wenn Du mit dieser Variante leben kannst, würde ich ein rebase machen, so dass alles in einem commit zusammengefasst ist.

Blue-Marlin · 2016-04-29T13:34:54Z

Marlin/language_de.h

+#define MSG_VTRAV_MIN                       "V Beweg. Min"
+#define MSG_AMAX                            "A Max " // space by purpose
+#define MSG_A_RETRACT                       "A Retract"
+#define MSG_A_TRAVEL                        "A Bewegung"


Analog.
"A ohne Extrusion" 16. ???

Sehr schön!

Blue-Marlin · 2016-04-29T13:49:06Z

@tkurbad
Für mich sieht das jetzt wie ein wesentlicher Fortschrit aus.

@CONSULitAS @Wurstnase @The_Germans
Wie sieht das für Euch aus?

@thinkyhead
Please don't mere right now. We are still discussing and want to do it right this time.

tkurbad · 2016-04-29T13:52:16Z

Eine Sache, die man noch vereinheitlichen könnte:
Bei Abkürzungen am Ende der Strings immer auf das 17-Zeichen-Limit pfeifen und das letzte Wort stets ausschreiben. Damit überlässt man das Abkürzen dem Display, bekommt aber i.d.R. noch ein paar Zeichen mehr unter.

tkurbad · 2016-04-29T13:58:51Z

Bei Abkürzungen am Ende der Strings immer auf das 17-Zeichen-Limit pfeifen und das letzte Wort stets ausschreiben. Damit überlässt man das Abkürzen dem Display, bekommt aber i.d.R. noch ein paar Zeichen mehr unter.

Hab ich jetzt noch so eingebaut.

Blue-Marlin · 2016-04-29T14:01:20Z

@tkurbad
Eigentlich müßte man im Detail nachsehe ob hinter dem Text noch ein Wert kommt.
Gererell eine gute Idee.
Über 21 is dann aber entgültig Speicherverschwendung.

Blue-Marlin · 2016-04-29T14:04:49Z

Marlin/language_de.h

 #define MSG_PREHEAT_ABS                     "Vorwärmen ABS"
 #define MSG_PREHEAT_ABS_N                   "Vorwärmen ABS "
 #define MSG_PREHEAT_ABS_ALL                 "Vorw. ABS Alle"
 #define MSG_PREHEAT_ABS_BEDONLY             "Vorw. ABS Bett"
-#define MSG_PREHEAT_ABS_SETTINGS            "Vorw. ABS Einst."
+#define MSG_PREHEAT_ABS_SETTINGS            "Vorw. ABS Einstellungen"


"Vorw. ABS Einstellungen" 23 ist dann doch Speicherverschwendung.

jbrazio · 2016-04-29T22:18:58Z

@Blue-Marlin the only German word I know is weissbier.

Blue-Marlin · 2016-04-29T23:30:16Z

@jbrazio
We have had a very peasant and productive session this morning. German was the adequate language to discus the details and possibility's of the translation. Doing that in English wouldn't have been half that productive.

Currently we are waiting for a bit of feedback from the German community her.
We will tell you when we are ready for a merge.

tkurbad · 2016-05-01T12:17:33Z

@Blue-Marlin How long do we give the members of the German community to utter their thoughts? I think, if we want this in 1.1.0 (Gold), we should set some kind of a deadline.

Blue-Marlin · 2016-05-01T16:58:49Z

@tkurbad
How about Mo. 21:00 MESZ. Even if the where 'dazing into the May', they then should have had a fair chance for a comment. That would be early enough to have it in at Tuesday morning.

thinkyhead · 2016-05-01T20:45:36Z

I can't comment on the translations themselves, but in some cases perhaps there are still ways to keep the text around 16-18 characters max length? I can see why "V min ohne Extrusion" is preferable, since we get reasonable cutoffs:

16 V min ohne Extru
18 V min ohne Extrusi
20 V min ohne Extrusion
22 V min ohne Extrusion

I just want to make sure that translations all work equally well at 16 characters.

tkurbad · 2016-05-02T07:19:30Z

@Blue-Marlin This deadline seems reasonable.

tkurbad · 2016-05-02T07:21:53Z

@thinkyhead We'll have a second look at the longer strings today. But after Friday's discussion, I doubt there is much room for improvement.

CONSULitAS · 2016-05-02T11:04:54Z

Marlin/language_de.h

 #define MSG_AUTO_HOME                       "Home" // G28
 #define MSG_LEVEL_BED_HOMING                "Homing XYZ"
 #define MSG_LEVEL_BED_WAITING               "Klick für Start"
 #define MSG_LEVEL_BED_DONE                  "Fertig"
 #define MSG_LEVEL_BED_CANCEL                "Abbruch"
-#define MSG_SET_HOME_OFFSETS                "Setze Home hier"
+#define MSG_SET_HOME_OFFSETS                "Setze H.-Offsets"


gefällt mir nicht so gut, weil "H." unklar

Bessere Vorschläge willkommen. ;-)

12345678901234567890 Setze Homeoffsets

???

drei schräge Hochkomma helfen beim Zählen...

CONSULitAS · 2016-05-02T11:26:07Z

All in all a great improvement!

@jbrazio

the only German word I know is weissbier.

This is a good start! 😄 🍺 🍻

@thinkyhead

I just want to make sure that translations all work equally well at 16 characters.

This was part of the discussion in german.

I can't comment on the translations themselves,

I can, because i am a native german speaker. Perhaps you let me merge it?

@tkurbad
Willst Du die Kleinigkeiten noch ändern, dann kann ich das kurzfristig mergen?

tkurbad · 2016-05-02T11:29:05Z

@CONSULitAS Hab die zuletzt besprochenen Änderungen noch eingepflegt. Sollte ich besser nochmal ein rebase durchführen? Mittlerweile sind es 11 commits, um eine Datei zu ändern...

CONSULitAS · 2016-05-02T11:35:45Z

@tkurbad Gerne. Ist sicher übersichtlicher.

Sind aber auch 70 Beiträge in der Conversation! 😄

Will merge it this evening after rebase!

Blue-Marlin · 2016-05-02T12:00:58Z

Marlin/language_de.h

 #define MSG_TEMPERATURE                     "Temperatur"
 #define MSG_MOTION                          "Bewegung"
 #define MSG_VOLUMETRIC                      "Filament"
 #define MSG_VOLUMETRIC_ENABLED              "E in mm³"
-#define MSG_FILAMENT_DIAM                   "Filament D"
+#define MSG_FILAMENT_DIAM                   "Filamentdurchmesser"


-6 Stellen für den Wert dahinter! (ftostr43())

123456789012345678901 Filamentdurchme123456 Filamentdurchm123456 Filamentdu123456 Filament D123456 Fil. Durchmesse123456 Fil. Durchmess123456 Fil. Durch123456 Fil. D 123456

Mein Favorit ist "Filament D"

Wie wäre es mit

1234567890123456 D Filament

analog

A Retract

D als Formelzeichen für "Durchmesser" ist eigentlich geläufig.

Arg! Für mehr Extruder werden auch noch " 1" bis " 3" dazwischen geschoben.
"Fil. D" !

1234567890123456 D Filament D Filament123456 D Fil. 3 123456

"Fil.-D." okay?

Englische Version ist "Fil. Dia.", btw., also auch extrem abgekürzt., aber immerhin 9 Zeichen.

Schöner wäre es, ein Durchmesser-Symbol, wie ø zu haben. Könnte man evtl. sogar mit einem Unicode-Zeichen erschlagen...

Edit: Ein passendes Zeichen ist in der Dänischen Übersetzung unter MSG_COOLDOWN enthalten.

Ø Filament

Ist mein Favorit.

BTW: Haben wir noch mehr Durchmesser?

Währe schön, ist aber nicht im Zeichensatz der übliche character based LCD (Hitachi) Im üblichen japanischen gar nich - im europäische ist das fi (also mit senkrechtem Strich) das ähnlichste.

Kann auch mit D Fil. leben. Ich glaube wir brauchen ein Scroll-Feature... 😞

Scroll-Feature is already there for the boot-screen. Alone it needs a bit more - updates. Currently the screen in the menu is refreshed only for an event (encoder - click). That gives low load and immediate response. For a nice scrolling we'd need more then ~4 refreshes a second - ~50% of the processor time we have (for the GLCD's). As long as no program is running, that may work, but not during a print.
Scrolling for the 16 chars wide CLCDs only, may be an option

tkurbad · 2016-05-02T12:46:35Z

@Blue-Marlin, @CONSULitAS Ich glaube, dann haben wir's jetzt, oder? Wenn keine Einwände mehr kommen, mache ich nachher ein rebase.

CONSULitAS · 2016-05-02T12:48:19Z

@tkurbad Einverstanden!

Blue-Marlin · 2016-05-02T13:32:32Z

OK. And thanks.

CONSULitAS · 2016-05-02T14:46:03Z

@Blue-Marlin @tkurbad
Great. Only one commit left.

We can merge now.👍

And thanks for all the discussion, ideas, thoughts and the work! 👏 👏

CONSULitAS · 2016-05-02T14:46:49Z

BTW: My first merge! 😄

AnHardt · 2016-05-03T02:12:30Z

Marlin/language_de.h

 #define MSG_TEMPERATURE                     "Temperatur"
 #define MSG_MOTION                          "Bewegung"
 #define MSG_VOLUMETRIC                      "Filament"
 #define MSG_VOLUMETRIC_ENABLED              "E in mm³"
-#define MSG_FILAMENT_DIAM                   "Filament D"
+#define MSG_FILAMENT_DIAM                   "D Fil."


The 'Ø' for Diameter is possible for the full graphic displays.

#ifdef DOGLCD #define MSG_FILAMENT_DIAM "Ø Fil." #else #define MSG_FILAMENT_DIAM "D Fil." #endif

For different strings for different wide screens:

#if LCD_WIDTH < 20 #else #endif

Yes, that sounds very reasonable. Alone, I lack the time and resources atm. to look deeper into this. Does someone else care to take look?

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Revisited German translation

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tkurbad force-pushed the german_translation branch from 2c97461 to aae2f50 Compare May 2, 2016 13:18

CONSULitAS merged commit 0bae00c into MarlinFirmware:RCBugFix May 2, 2016

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Update Japanese translation, etc #3712

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